Evenweave questions!!!

Please help!  Ive been trying to find information about even weave cross stitch fabrics.  I saw a couple of very pretty pieces listed on ebay that were described as 14 count and 16 count even weave.  I didnt think even weave came in those counts.  Does it?
Also are Lugana and Jobelan pretty much the same?
Im also confused by 25 count.  As I understand it when you move up to something like a 32 count even weave and work over two your pattern comes out the same size as 16 count aida.  so How does this work with odd numbers like 25 count?
Ive always stitched on aida and am looking to branch out to other fabrics.  Ive tried linen a couple of times and it wasnt a success.  
Any tips, suggestions or encouragement would be appreciated!

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2020-7-27 09:39
Evenweave has a higher thread count than Aida, and is commonly found in 25, 28, and 32 counts. Like  ...

Thanks.  I was thinking if it said it was a 14 count evenweave it would be aida too.
Nice that someone else thinks so too.

CraftyLouAnna

Different evenweaves are constructed/made of different fibres, which can contain polyester.  Ive had some really poorly made linen and even weave.
Evenweave is great to learn how to cross stitch over 2 threads, making the move to linen that much easier. Its just that some linen is not evenly woven, so your stitches may be thinner or wider.
A good quality linen though should have a good weave that is fairly even, but it may have slubs in it as well.   Some of the best projects I have done have been on uneven linen as it gives  your stitched piece a
more antique look.   Ive never been disappointed with cashel linen and most major brands will provide the best quality, such as Wichelt.    Try buying fabric ends as well to do smaller projects just to get the feel for
the fabric.  Too many stitchers buy expensive linen fabrics for large projects then find they dont enjoy stitching on linen.

Heaven and Earth Designs (HAED), design most of their charts with 25 count fabrics in mind stitching over one thread with one embroidery thread.  Or 1X1 instead of 2X2.      

If the fabric seems cheap....... try and avoid it if possible, because it probably is.  I buy a lot of fabric ends (pre-cuts) and many retail stores  have linen packs of 30cm X 30cm for sale.  Most ends are also discounted by retailers as they
are usually not big enough to do most large projects and take up expensive retail space.   If you have a stitching store near you, you can enquire if they have any fabric ends or pre-cuts.

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2020-7-25 14:17
Different evenweaves are constructed/made of different fibres, which can contain polyester.  Ive ha ...

Thanks for the tips.  Unfortunately the closest needlework store to me is 300 miles away so I dont have the option of seeing the fabric before buying.

Do you grid your linen or even weave before stitching?

Puppy

About Lugana 25:

I like stitching on 25 counts fabric through two thread with one embroidery thread.
I draw a grid on everything (Aida, linen or evenweave) always, so as not to doubt :lol :lol

StitchFairy

Evenweave has a higher thread count than Aida, and is commonly found in 25, 28, and 32 counts. Like linen, evenweave is generally stitched over two, although also like linen it can be stitched over one.Evenweave fabrics are typically cotton/rayon blends. Zweigart produces a 52% cotton/48% rayon evenweave called Lugana, while Wichelt makes a 51% cotton/49% rayon version called Jobelan. With its consistent texture, evenweave is a great fabric to use when learning to stitching over two. Good for advanced patterns with fractional stitches. Evenweave is more refined in appearance than Aida, but still less so than linen. Some evenweave fabric can be stiff. Not quite as widely available as linen or Aida.

If it says 14 or 16 count,I would bet all my stash that its aida.  :)

witchystitchy

I stitch on 25 count over 2 and yes youre right, it is an odd number 12.5.  It just means the cross stitch calculators arent able to calculate that.  I assume thats what you are asking?  I calculate my fabric manually, if you want to know the calculation method please let me know.  Yes, Lugana and Jobelan are pretty much the same, just different manufacturers.  Ive never stitched with Jobelan but I have seen it.  Linen can be awkward cos of the thicker weaves but jumping from aida to linen is very different.  However once you try Lugana for eg, you wont want to switch back :)  Stitching over 2 takes a little practice but I dont even notice the middle square now - its just natural.  And no, 14ct and 16ct are not Lugana or Jobelan.  Possibly a chinese rip off.  Id avoid. Its best to get Zweigart products as theyre always true squares.  Ive seen a few posts where the squares are rectangular, which messes up the whole design.  Good Luck

KatharinaV-NL

Could this page help?
zweigart.de/downloads/?lang=en
There are catalogues with all sorts of fabric to look at.
Here the word Neuheiten means "New" or "News".

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2020-7-29 09:52
I stitch on 25 count over 2 and yes youre right, it is an odd number 12.5.  It just means the cross ...

Never heard of it sorry.  Im in Australia though.  I only buy Zweigart or Wichelt as I dont see any point spending so long stitching on a cheap fabric.  With both of those I know Ill get quality.

KatharinaV-NL

Maybe you all already know.... but some technical know-how here :D for your convenience

Count:
Western-Europe counts threads per centimetre.
The rest of the world counts the holes per inch.

Fabric quality:
Linen and cotton need a certain country climate.
Linen e.g. best needs a salt water coastline.
So if you want to buy quality linen from China.....eeeeeh coastline?
Quality linen industry nowadays is found in Western-Europe along the coast up to extreme good weaving facilities in Germany (e.g. Vaupel & Heilenbeck in Wuppertal). You can also find good knowledge in this region about the subject of embroidery textiles.
THAT is why we turn to Zweigart in Germany for the exact weaving and trustworthy colours that dont bleed.
Zweigart and Wichelt work with the linen producing industry along the salt water sea coastline of The Netherland-Belgium-France.

And China? They are verrrrrry good in spinning, dyeing and weaving silk.
Buy silk from China. Not Linen.
Would we buy "quality" silk made in Europe? No! Because there can be none!
And please lets not grumble about Chinese quality when the price is in good balance with that particular sort of quality.

And e.g. Eastern-Europe is famous for its colourful designs and cross stitched embroidered clothing. Great!

Every country has its own specialty.
We just need to update our knowledge about our hobby.
:loveliness: Lets do that together & lets have some fun with that!!!! :loveliness:

Buy with wisdom & stitch with happiness!